makeste: (GENKISHI used WALL!)
makeste ([personal profile] makeste) wrote2010-05-14 03:06 pm

THE LONGEST MEME.

THIS IS THE MEME THAT DOESN'T ENNNNNNNND.


Top Five Reasons for Fangirling the Wall So Much

1. I love non sequitur humor, when things happen out of nowhere that make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. And the wall kinda epitomizes that for me. Here we have this awesome main character having an incredibly badass fight, and just when he runs in for the kill... he crashes into a wall. Brilliant. Seriously! It's brilliant!

2. What makes it even better is that the fandom, being an awesome fandom, immediately recognized that brilliance and embraced it. I saw people spoofing it in RPs, there were people making icons; everyone was hopping on the bandwagon. Enough so that it became a meme! And well, you know I love memes.

3. And once something becomes a meme, you can basically do whatever the hell you want with it, such as assigning it random personality traits based on the thing that made it funny, which in this case was the wall's victory over a main character just by standing there and being a wall. So, for example, I could say...

4. His stoicism and brutal apathy. Or...

5. His sleek, enticing figure, all sexy right angles and gleaming, come-hither surfaces. ♥


Top Five Awkward Reborn Moments

I thought this was going to be a funny list but then it dissolved into thinly veiled bitching and :| faces! I'M SO SORRY.

1. Okay, do you all remember chapter 32? That's the Gokudera Training Program chapter, where Reborn said he was going to "train" Gokudera but then basically just dicked around and messed with his hair and stuff. So then Gokudera got DEPRESSED~ but fortunately Maman showed up out of nowhere and told him "Tsuna is always talking about you!" which Gokudera interpreted as "THE TENTH SUPER RELIES ON ME, HOORAY." |D

So basically that entire chapter is awkward, but by far the most awkward part is the end, when it's revealed that Tsuna is always talking about Gokudera because he's complaining about him. This revelation comes literally two panels after Gokudera determinedly thinks that he'll follow the Tenth until the very end and will definitely become a person suited to be his right hand man. I'm pretty sure the twist was meant to be funny, but all I could think was, "FFFFFF HE'S SO EARNEST AND EAGER TO PLEASE AND YET HE IS TOTALLY HATED BY HIS BOSS, OH HARSH." So yeah, number one on this list is The Crushing of All Gokudera's Hopes and Dreams for the Purposes of Comedy. XD

2. I know there was a chapter when Lambo peed himself. While Tsuna was holding him. I KNOW THIS CHAPTER EXISTS. I JUST CAN'T FIND IT. Or maybe it was just in the anime? But man, I've never felt so embarrassed for a fictional character in my life. That was like the epitome of awkward.

3. Chapter 9, when Reborn announces the fact that Bianchi was his lover. KEEP IN MIND, THIS WAS BEFORE WE KNEW THAT REBORN HAD NOT ALWAYS BEEN A BABY. So yeah. D: AND THEN LATER we found out that although Reborn hadn't always been a baby, he still hadn't been an adult in years, which means that if/when he was dating Bianchi in his pre-Arcobaleno state, she must have been SO ILLEGAL that you'd think even the mafia would be raising a few eyebrows. That's just not on, you know?

4. "So hey, Gokudera, it turns out that EVERYTHING YOU EVER THOUGHT WAS TRUE WAS A LIIIIIE. So I guess that all of that angst and the whole running away thing and thinking you weren't loved by anyone and basically your entire shitty life up to this point was all basically pointless! Whoops! But it's okay, you know we're all going to be laughing about this later."

5. Chapter 237. Almost in its entirety. XD This would be the boycott chapter where Haru and Kyoko decide that they're going to stop doing chores until the boys tell them what's going on, and then spend the whole chapter worrying about "ARE THEY EATING NUTRITIOUSLY?" and "IF ONLY THEY'D TOLD US WHAT WAS HAPPENING, WE COULD HAVE MADE THEM A BETTER MEAL!" Somewhere around page seven, the boys have an epiphany of "Oh wow, we never realized how much we depended on the girls cooking and cleaning for us!" and I guess this is supposed to be a major victory for gender equality given that this is the world of KHR. And then Bianchi starts talking about how men have manly pride and are risking their lives for that pride and that women just can't understand it and I'm just like, seriously, WHAT?

In the end, even though Tsuna ends up telling them the truth, basically nothing changes, so. It's something I try not to think about too often, cuz this is shounen and if I threw a hissy fit every time the boys got to be heroes while the girls JUST WATCHED, I would be an extremely miserable person! But just that one chapter in particular, it was really hard to ignore. XD


Top Five Best Scenes in Reborn

1. "I wanted to see the fireworks again, so I've come back..." For me, the image in this scene that always sticks out in my mind is Gokudera stumbling out of the smoke, limping and bloodied and then collapsing, but alive. He lost, but he's still there to fight another day because he finally realized how important that is to his boss, his friend. You're important, Gokudera! Your life is important, you mean something to someone! And he had to go to hell and back to finally see this, and it shows, you can physically see how close he came to dying. But he didn't. I'm trying my best to describe what it is about this scene that compels me so much, but I don't think I'm doing a very good job, heh. XD But basically it's about... redemption, I guess? The fact that he lost the fight, and yet came out understanding his own worth more than if he had won.

2. "The Shigure Souen Ryu style... is completely flawless and invincible." The page that I linked, the one of Yamamoto standing up covered in so many wounds that he probably shouldn't be able to stand up, and you can't see his face but you can just feel the determination emanating from his entire being, and you can see it in every inch of the way he holds himself... this, to me, is everything I love about shounen manga, defined in a single image. Never giving up. Believing in yourself even when the odds are overwhelmingly stacked against you. "I know I don't look like much right now, but you know what? I'm still going to win. Because I can't let myself do otherwise." And then on the next page he has this amazing, confident, absolutely fearless smile, and he says he's invincible, and he says it plainly like it's a fact, because honey? It is.

3. "I've always been... determined!" This is partly me being shallow, because frankly that bottom panel is the hottest Gokudera has ever been IMO, but it's also one of my favorite moments for kind of the same reasons I listed the Yamamoto scene above. That whole shounen determination thing. This is a really charged scene with a lot of adrenaline; basically, if Gokudera doesn't do something in the next few seconds, he's toast--and not just him, but Yamamoto, Haru, Lambo and I-Pin, too. PRETTY TENSE. And then right in the middle of that, he remembers what TYL!Yama said about how to activate the rings, that it's all about resolve, determination. And whatever other failings he might have, he has never lacked for that. And it's just like this sudden calm moment in the middle of all this chaos, and then BADASS. Hell yeeeeeeah.

4. "I will wipe out the Vongola!" So I guess I can't list my favorite Gokudera and Yamamoto GAR SHOUNEN moments and not put Tsuna's here too. This one I like because it shows how atypical a hero Tsuna is. The main characters in most other shounen series, they're all about BECOMING THE GREATEST HOKAGE or BECOMING THE PIRATE KING and so forth, but Tsuna's most determined moment in his series is about not becoming a mafia boss. Confronted with the Vongola's bloody history, he rejects it all in no uncertain terms. Even knowing that it might mean the death of not just him but his family and friends, he's still unwilling to accept the Vongola mantle under those circumstances. And you know what? That takes balls. It sure was enough to impress Primo.

5. The end of the Future Arc. Lastly, I had to go with this page because IMO it's the most beautiful shot in the entire manga. It just perfectly sums up all the horrible things that happened in this arc (what with the coffin there and all), but also the fact that in spite of everything, they managed to overcome it. And it's also a picture-perfect mirror of the opening scene of the arc, but now the situation is all different. The symbolism, it is delicious.


Top Five Characters in KHR Who Actually Act and Look Mafia Enough to be Mafiosi in Real Life

1. Adult!Reborn. I don't think I need to qualify this one.

2. TYL!Yamamoto. Uh huh.

3. COYOTE FUCKING NOUGAT. If you ignore the whole robot arm thing.

4. Gokudera's dad! From what we've seen in the flashbacks anyway.

5. Gamma, prior to the formation of the Millefiore. Man looked damn fine in a suit.


Top Five Reborn Characters You Hate

1. M.M.

2. Ginger Bread.

3. ...okay I honest to God don't hate any of the other characters. Let's just change it to "characters I might perhaps like to slap in the face a bit", and I'll go with Skull, Kawahira (because he just DISAPPEARED and he never calls, he never writes...!), and Torikabuto because dude what the fuck happened with you.


Top Five Events You Wish Had Never Happened in the Reborn Manga Canon

1. Choice. Just the entire Choice battle and everything having to do with it and leading up to it and even its aftermath. It turned out to be a complete waste of about thirty chapters, because absolutely nothing happened that couldn't have been done in some other, MUCH LESS COMPLICATED AND TIME-CONSUMING way. Basically it was an excuse for Yama to have a rematch with Genkishi and for Shouichi to get maimed. Both of these things could have happened in the real final battle instead. Speaking of...

2. The end of the battle with Byakuran. I'm a bit torn on this, because part of me is happy it was at least brief, but that's also because the whole arc had been dragged out for so long before this. If Choice had been skipped, we would have been able to put all those chapters to better use, and this wouldn't have been so weird and abrupt. If it was going to be like that, they could at least have done the Bad End where Byakuran won and took all the rings and then got destroyed by a tri-ni-sette power overdose, so that Tsuna wouldn't have had to kill him and then NEVER ACKNOWLEDGE IT EVER instead. XD

3. MAYBE THIS MAKES ME A TERRIBLE PERSON, but I kiiiiinda wish Gokudera's angsty troubled past had actually stayed angsty and troubled. See: Top Five Awkward Reborn Moments. Yeah.

4. If Ginger Bread was never going to do anything else anyway, WHY NOT JUST HAVE LAL KILL HIM AND BE DONE WITH IT?? We would not have missed out on anything! In fact, I'm pretty certain that half of you didn't even remember that Ginger Bread ever existed until I pointed it out in the question right before this one. BE HONEST.

5. And on a similar note, if Ghost was just going to come along and vamp the life out of Zakuro and co. either way, couldn't Gokudera have been allowed to have a victory for once in his dismaying life? XDDD


Top Five Things You've Learned from the Reborn Fandom

1. How to write fic on a deadline! This is a skill I never possessed before I started participating in some of the challenges here. It is, in large part, still a skill I do not possess, but at least I've managed it once or twice. XD

2. The more a character just stands around glaring and looking pretty, the more fandom will worship him.

3. It is possible to have two popular and seemingly at-odds pairings and NOT have the people who ship those pairings constantly be at each others' throats! KHR does have its occasional shipping wank, but it's absolutely nothing compared to the ship wars in fandoms like A:TLA, Naruto, and Bleach, for which I am so, so grateful.

4. Rule 34 is very much alive and well.

5. The key to not only having a successful anime filler arc, but having that arc be so successful people actually start enjoying it more than the manga? FILL IT WITH PILES AND PILES OF G. |D


Top Five Favorite Villains from Any Series

1. Yagami Light (Death Note). You know you're an awesome villain when you actually get to be the main character.

2. Benjamin Linus (LOST). Sometimes I wonder if they've actually invented the situation this guy can't talk his way out of.

3. Barbossa (Pirates of the Caribbean). By far the most piratey of all the characters in this series of films about PIRATES, and I love him so much. *_*

4. Magneto (X-Men). He's fascinating because he really believes he's in the right, and he almost kind of has a point. The best villains are always the ones that aren't one-dimensional LET'S DESTROY THE WORLD! bad guys, but actually have believable and sympathetic motives.

5. Byakuran (KHR). The exception to the rule I just stated about LET'S DESTROY THE WORLD villains. He's the Joker of the KHR world, a guy who just wants to fuck around and create chaos for the sheer glee of it. Only he did it dressed like a rock god with fairy princess wings, surrounded by fireworks. He was a pioneer. ;_;


Top Five Things You Want Somebody to Say in Reborn

1. "Pack your bags, Tsuna. We're going to Italy."

2. "You mean Byakuran is still alive? And he's on our side?" 8D

3. "Takeshi, there's something I have to tell you about your mother."

4. "It's a real gun, with real bullets. It's about time you learned how to use one."

5. "Bianchi, I have one favor to ask you. Please don't tell your brother I've come to watch the ceremony. It's easier for everyone this way."


Top Five Non-KHR Fandoms

Keeping in mind the difference between series and fandom...

1. Naruto. This fandom had has SO MANY PROBLEMS, and yet despite that it's still one of the most enjoyable fandoms I've ever been a part of. I kinda miss it sometimes, but I definitely don't have the energy for it any longer. XD

2. LOST. There are so many awesome LOST blogs around that I almost look forward more to reading people's reactions and speculations after an episode than the episode itself. I'm just sad it's all ending in little more than a week. :(

3. Inuyasha. Man, it's been ages since I was in the IY fandom, but oh, the fic. I don't know what it was, but something about IY just inspired so many people to write really long action/adventure/romance epics, and a surprising amount of it was pretty damn good, even on FF.Net.

4. Harry Potter. I always steered well clear of the shipping wars and pretty much all of the fanfic on this one, but I adored the discussion and speculation aspects of the fandom, and the excitement that built up whenever another book was on the verge of release. The midnight release of book 7 was one of the most awesome experiences I've had in my whole life; people were counting down like it was New Year's, and then SO MUCH CHEERING, and then awed silence as the first person purchased the book, haha. It was so much fun.

5. Star Wars. Again, this is a fandom I associate with lots of awesome discussion, and some equally awesome midnight film releases. Say what you will about the prequels (I can say a fair bit about them myself), but each time I went to see one of them on opening night, it was an absolute blast. People cosplaying and having lightsaber fights, applauding when the main title appeared onscreen, and cheering at all the right moments... my God, it was epic.


Top Five Unintentionally Hilarious Faces in the Reborn Manga

I thought for sure these would all be Daily Life faces, but hilariously, all but one of them is from the Future Arc.

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Teehee.

And the chapter 289 recap will be up vaguely soonish probably.

[identity profile] rukawagf.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
this

is

COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


do you get to choose the top 5 questions or must i follow this format? i kinda wanna do it too XD

[identity profile] rukawagf.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
oh wait ahahaha these are questions ppl ASKED you. that's kinda cool!

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep! The full meme is Ask me my fannish Top Five [Whatevers]. Any top fives. Doesn't matter what, really! And I will answer them all in a new post. I was lucky enough to get a lot of good questions, heh.

[identity profile] rukawagf.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
you really were! i never get good questions like these <3 you have cool friends! XD

maybe i'll do it one day. i doubt i'll get cool questions though. (that and well, i dunno i might get lazy ahaha)

[identity profile] lampazo-libre.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, ILU.
I thought I was the one who looked at Gokudera at chapter 32 and thought, poor kid, Amano really likes him to have it rough. And the fact that it was supposed to be funny is to put it mildly, creepy.
Now then, I put my hand on your shoulder if you’re up for Dera’s UNHAPPY N ANGTSY past to remain like it was, because now, on top of a pulled out of the ass, full of holes explanation he’s the dude who’s been emoing his whole life over a misunderstanding. Was this even needed? Couldn’t Bianchi, if it SOOO needed, just state that Gokupapa loved Gokumama? He love her but he still had her killed because he had a wife and it’s mafia, son, and it broke his heart OH TEH ANGST BRING IT ON. It would be, at least, a little more, uh, believable?
The top five best scenes: oh the third one, recalled it and shuddered all over once again, the sheer level of adrenalin, testosterone and concentrated badassery injected in a single panel/line, Amano, you, just. Um, yeah. I really like that scene too. And brownie points to Amano for the uncanny ability to draw Dera super hot when you least expect that, so you inevitably start foaming a little in the mouth and babble something doubtfully intelligent.
…I know that it’s hardly one of the best scenes, but Yamamoto’s revenge with Genkishi gets me every. single. time. I could care less about Genkishi himself or the choice game, but Yamamoto’s distilled awesomeness turns me to jelly. It was his first appearance since Amano fully switched to her third drawing style, and, contrary to several other characters, I prefer this design of him the best. Aside from that, remember, that I-M-GOING-TO-TAKE-THE-WORLD-DOWN-AND-HAVE-FUN-WHILE-DOING-IT look, those concentrated eyes, damn it- the suit! And the bottom panel from this page http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/246/03/ , the one where he’s juggling his sword, is hands down my favorite Yamamoto’s panel EVER. The Bluetooth, the look, the fingers SCREW YOU JAMES BOND YOU DON’T STAND A CHANCE.
COYOTE FUCKING NOUGAT. THIS. I’m going to call him like that for the rest of my life oh god oh god oh god this is so brilliant I could cry. These three words together are beautiful.
And I was pleased to read 5 things you’ve learned from the fandom \o/ I suppose in terms of fandom interactions and tolerance Reborn fandom stands out a lot, I can’t even recall a single major pairing wank, each one I’ve encountered was already mocked by the picked by of the fandom in the best DUDE YOU’RE TAKING IT TOO SERIOUSLY GO PULL THAT STICK OUT OF YOUR ASS way. Probably because the fandom itself doesn’t take itself too seriously most of the time?
And yeah, Rule 34. Full stop.
I suggest five things you’d like to be said in Reborn should be written in a pretty kanji after being translated to Japanese, and sent to Amano. Who knows, maybe one of her assistants is curious and manipulative? You never know until you try.

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes I wonder if Amano didn't write chapter 61 just as an apology for chapter 32. There's one scene in that one where Tsuna starts off by bitching about Gokudera's "scariness" and so forth the same as before, but this time on the following page he has a turnaround and calls him a friend and says that he doesn't want him to leave. I appreciated that. XD

because now, on top of a pulled out of the ass, full of holes explanation he’s the dude who’s been emoing his whole life over a misunderstanding.

I KNOOOOOW, oh god. If he really was loved, then why did his dad let his sister poison him for the lulz and then just let him up and run away at the tender age of eight? Why didn't he ever tell his son the truth about his mother? Why is it that he has to find all of this out from his sister, years and years later? This is really one of those instances where finding out the truth almost makes the situation worse than ever, because now on top of all that angst, he gets to be tortured by all these could-have-beens. Alas.

Every time I think of that scene I just want to pump my fist in the air and shout HELL YEAH over and over. So, so, so badass.

Yamamoto vs. Genkishi Redux was like the one redeeming thing about Choice (although like I said, I still think it could have been incorporated in some other way). Yamamoto was pretty much a goddamn superhero for the entirety of that fight. I love the panel you mentioned too, because he's so casually awesome it just kills me.

Didn't you know that's actually his middle name? TRUFAX. It was the best thing his parents ever did for him.

Yeah, I love how generally sane and chillaxed the Reborn fandom is. *hugs it*

This fandom has porn of a wall. 'Nuff said.

I'm still holding out for at least #5 to really happen in the manga. C'MON GOKUDADDY, EVERYONE ELSE IN THE MAFIA IS GOING TO BE THERE. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. :(

[identity profile] lampazo-libre.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Arrrgh, I still can’t justify the Gokumama!explanation for myself. Was it really that necessary?
I’ve long before, of course, resigned myself to the fact that Amano just has several black boxes that are labeled as “new character designs”, “weird stuff I’ve mentioned before” and “events that didn’t get any justification”, and randomly sticks a hand into one of them when she need a plot twist or wrap up a loose end. I must say, I’m generally okay with resulting meth-reeking wtftacular cocktail, but sometimes it just spills over the edge.
Gokudera’s moment is definitely one of them.


Ah, Yamamoto <3 I still shiver remembering my favorite boy pwning everything around.

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Amano does usually manage well enough in spite of (or even because of) all the totally random crap she pulls. XD But yeah, like you said, sometimes it just does not add up at all and the end result is really sloppy and annoying. In her defense, there's a reason pretty much my entire "why did this have to happen?" list is taken from the second half of the Future Arc. I have virtually no complaints about the rest of the series (and I thought long and hard about it, too).

I gotta say, my favorite part of all his upgrading has to the fact that he can fly now. There's something about a flying swordsman that's just. Awesome personified. XD

[identity profile] escherichiacola.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
"You mean Byakuran is still alive? And he's on our side?"

I'm gonna keep holding out hope he'll bring Spanner along to the ceremony and have a big gushy reunion with Shouichi.


I totally agree with you on the best scene being Tsuna convincing Gokudera to live and him finally finding inner worth as opposed to just being a tool for Tsuna's ends.

The whole thing reminded me so much of what Lorien said in Babylon 5:
"I know. You're close friend. Very close. Its easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for?"

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
If we don't get to see Millefiore & Pals at the ceremony I am going to be so, so disappointed. :|

Its easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for?

YES YES THIS EXACTLY. *_* I have nothing to add to that.

[identity profile] ojuzu.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Re: that last pic -- MUKUROU YOU ARE HILARIOUS. XD He's so goddamn serious about it.

I wholeheartedly agree with the Things You Want People To Say In Reborn. Every. Single. One. Seriously, where the hell are the younger versions of everybody from the future arc?

I love that KHR has basically no ship wars. At all. Everyone basically ships every pairing to various degrees, and it is very, very happy-making. ♥

MAYBE THIS MAKES ME A TERRIBLE PERSON, but I kiiiiinda wish Gokudera's angsty troubled past had actually stayed angsty and troubled. Me too. -_- My headcanon is that Bianchi faked all the evidence and made up the whole 'No, everything was happy!' past just to make Gokudera feel better. Because she kinda felt like she should make up for all those times he got ill just by seeing her face.

And dammit I have to go pack now so I can't talk about the rest. /o\

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
X-RAY SPECS ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS.

I knoooow, I want to see Spanner and Shouichi and KAWAHIRA GODDAMN. And Gamma and baaaaaby!Uni and Kikyou and all the rest. And Byakuran especially because he left an empty place in my heart where a cheerful, fabulous villain should be.

I never realized how much the constant ship wars in other fandoms got to me until I got into this fandom and felt the relief of not having to deal with that. |D

Your headcanon intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Heh, oh well, we can fangirl some other time. XD

[identity profile] rikasaurus.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
First, LOL HANA'S POKEMON FACE. And DOUBLE LOL at Mukuro. X-ray monocles are SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Oh snap Magneto's pretty rad. I really liked how they characterized him in X-men evolution.

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
That last Mukuro panel was just made for Friends Only banners. I'm surprised no one (AFAIK) has ever used it. "FRIENDS ONLY BITCH!!!!!" IT'S PERFECT, SERIOUSLY.

Magneto kicks ass. I've liked him ever since the days of the 90s cartoon, but film!Magneto is my absolute favorite. Possibly because he is played by Ian McKellen. That may definitely be a contributing factor.

[identity profile] irtiolre.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
3. MAYBE THIS MAKES ME A TERRIBLE PERSON, but I kiiiiinda wish Gokudera's angsty troubled past had actually stayed angsty and troubled.
I have to agree! 8'D Though the new twist could also make for some angst..owo

Sorry for randomly reading the comments above, but I think it still makes sense for why Gokupapa let Bianchi poison him. My theory is that after Gokumama died of disease or whatever and fell off that cliff, Gokupapa was obviously devastated and started gradually hating Gokudera since Gokudera would remind him of Gokumama. And thus he lets Bianchi poison him and doesn't stop him when he runs away. After all, it says, "You were born into this world, loved by both of your parents." instead of "You were loved by both of your parents." Therefore we can safely assume that his parents loved him when he was born, but not necessarily after. /end theory

OAO? Other fandoms are really bad with the pairing wars? Reborn!'s my first fandom ever so I totally didn't know that |D

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I can buy that theory, and given what we have to work with at this point, that's currently more or less what I consider to be canon. I particularly like the idea of his father shunning him because he reminded him of his mother (Gokudera does look remarkably like her).

And yeah, there are a lot of fandoms where the shipping wars can get really intense. Bleach fandom is divided between people who ship Ichigo with Orhime and people who ship him with Rukia; Naruto fandom used to be (dunno if it still is) incredibly wanky about all of the Team 7 pairings, Harry Potter fandom is still divided between Harry/Hermione and Ron/Hermione shippers even though the series has ended, and so on. Just as an example, I dunno if you've ever been to [livejournal.com profile] fandomsecrets, but it's a rare day that doesn't see some kind of pairing drama-related secret over there.

But with KHR, I don't know if it's just that the main LJ community is really well-modded, or that the fans are just generally more easygoing or what, but it's been two and a half years since I got into the fandom and I can still count the instances of really bad wank I've seen one hand. And most of those are from back when we used to have anon memes, which are banned from [livejournal.com profile] hitman_reborn now, so we're pretty much in the clear. I love this fandom so much.

[identity profile] irtiolre.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I really hope Gokupapa will show up for the Inheritance Ceremony. TEH POSSIBLE ANGST. 8D

Ohh...sounds pretty bad. oAolll I'm glad I started off with KHR then...orz The mods do seem to do a good job, I think a couple weeks ago there was some drama, and they posted something about it immediately afterward. I don't know enough about other fandoms to try to gauge whether the fans are more easygoing or something though. |D

W-What's an anon meme? /ignorant orz

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-21 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
God I hope so too. *fingers crossed*

The mods here are definitely awesome; they never let things get out of hand, but they're still fair. I've been a mod at a few places in the past, and I know how hard it is to strike that balance. They're a big reason why the [livejournal.com profile] hitman_reborn community is so successful, I think.

And an anon meme is where somebody creates a post specifically for people to post random things without signing in. They can be fun if they don't get out of control, but unfortunately (and unsurprisingly), they tend to attract a lot of trolls who swoop in to bash characters and pairings and even certain fans. Here's a link to one of the KHR ones; that's a pretty good example.

[identity profile] stracciato.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
"5. Gamma, prior to the formation of the Millefiore. Man looked damn fine in a suit."

Looking fine in a suit is the reason why he could be a mafioso in real life? Sorry, but that's just super cliché :I

And I also have to disagree with you on Coyote *lol* Old men don't have this much hair anymore; rather half-bald heads.

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol, well the prompt was "act and look", and let's face it, THIS IS A SERIES ABOUT MAGIC BULLETS AND SUPERHERO BABIES where pretty much no one actually acts like a real world mafioso, SO I WORKED WITH WHAT I COULD.

Though IIRC, Gamma was more mafioso than most of the characters in this series. Especially in his flashback chapters. The merge between the Gesso and Giglio Nero seemed more mafiaish in its politics than most of KHR's plotlines, at least until the whole brainwashing thing came into play. XD

And I've known some old men who still had plenty of hair well into their seventies and even their eighties, so it's possible. Especially when you're as manly as Coyote Fucking Nougat.

[identity profile] stracciato.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
" ... where pretty much no one actually acts like a real world mafioso, SO I WORKED WITH WHAT I COULD."

Xanxus shooting Kikyo in the head isn't mafia-like? :I
He also does look quite Italian unlike some other characters.

"And I've known some old men who still had plenty of hair well into their seventies and even their eighties, so it's possible. Especially when you're as manly as Coyote Fucking Nougat."

Super old guys with thick hair? *lol* I've yet to see them.

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, Xanxus I just didn't pick cuz of those boots he's always wearing. Just not the kind of thing that comes to mind when I picture someone from the mob, idk. That and the fact that even though he has a gun, he uses it to fly around. XD

Super old guys with thick hair? *lol* I've yet to see them.

!

Or we can at least agree that there is always the possibility of wigs? XD
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[identity profile] stracciato.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
"Oh, Xanxus I just didn't pick cuz of those boots he's always wearing."

Well, the Varia uniform in principle isn't what normal mafiosi would wear. Lol. However, he has quite often been featured on colour pages/panels wearing something more business-like :-D

"That and the fact that even though he has a gun, he uses it to fly around. XD"

Yama uses his swords to fly around, too~
And I rather meant the headshot itself. That's the most mafia-like thing you'll ever see in this manga!

Imo, he is more of a mafioso than Gamma. But that's just me.
Yama does look pretty serious in that pic, though.

"Or we can at least agree that there is always the possibility of wigs? XD"

Hrm, yes XD

[identity profile] ekmisao.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
FOR THE WIN, woman. ^^v

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, thanks. IT WAS A LONG MEME BUT FUN TO DO. o/

[identity profile] cleartempest.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 06:49 am (UTC)(link)
Sometimes I wonder if Bianchi setting Gokudera straight about his angsty past was just a nod to the fact that Gokudera will never get a break. It's like...what does it even change? If I were Gokudera I'd have an existentialist crisis. I guess it is good to know the truth and upturn tomes of fanon at the same time but character development wise for Gokudera? I'm still like :||||| over it. Unless something epic happens this arc, like Gokudera meeting his father and not forgiving him (because he shouldn't, though he should probably grow up enough to acknowledge that his father did what he could) and it's like this huge step for him and whatever...then it might have been a good call to reveal it. I don't wish that it never happened, though, but I do hope Amano compensates.
/rant.

OH GOD THAT. THAT GENDER ROLES CHAPTER >| I haven't made a Reborn post in a while at that time but when I read that I was just so like "?!" that I posted about it lol and found out the majority of my flist read it for the boys. I guess I do to but I couldn't help noticing, the bath visual was kinda like "..." too, it was so obvious that I wonder if Amano was lamp shading it. Then I wondered if I was giving her too much credit XD

bawww reading the top five best scenes is so much ;w; ♥

THIS SO MUCH WITH WISHING CHOICE NEVER HAPPENED. I SWEAR IT WAS JUST FOR THE LULZ.

2. The more a character just stands around glaring and looking pretty, the more fandom will worship him.
YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T LEARN THIS FROM NARUTO FANDOM

LOL LAITO-KUN
lol Byakufun...I am still 'uhhhhhh' about what became of him, but I guess he was pretty epic. Whenever I think about how Byakuran became a villain I am reminded of the Cervello and I wonder when they'll make their cameo this arc.

Top Five Things You Want Somebody to Say in Reborn

THIS to everything Q__________Q ESPECIALLY NUMBER TWO ON MY GOD

LOL YAY FUNNY FACES XDDD GOD YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HARD I LAUGH WHENEVER I SEE HANAMON FACE ALKFHSAGLKHAGDS
HOORAY FOR UNINTENTIONAL RAPEFACE
And...uh...I never though number five was funny but now I cannot stop laughing.

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-21 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it actually was intended to make things better, though; it's just that it was incredibly ill-conceived. Like Amano felt guilty about sticking him with all that angst, and maybe wanted to give him a bit of a reprieve because everyone else was catching lucky breaks left and right (Tsuyoshi's seriously fine all of a sudden? SERIOUSLY?), and the only way she could think to do it was to retcon his angsty past. BUT SHE DID IT IN ABSOLUTELY THE DUMBEST WAY POSSIBLE. Idk. I do agree that it could make for a really epic reunion between him and his dad in his arc, though, which is what I'm hoping for; if that happens, I'll take back everything negative I ever said about it.

Now that you mention it, it did seem like there was a bit of lampshading that came into play. They basically acknowledged that they were just sitting around doing nothing while the boys did all the cool stuff, and then Bianchi jumped in with that completely awkward rationalization of it... orz.

YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T LEARN THIS FROM NARUTO FANDOM

LOL NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT. ...But no, actually, maybe I'm just REALLY SLOW or something, but for the longest time I thought all the worshipping of characters like Itachi (and also Sesshoumaru from Inuyasha, which is where I really noticed it for the first time) was because they were villains. Then Hibari came along and a lightbulb just went off that, "oh wait, it's just because they're pretty and semeish." XD

You know the Cervello are going to be chilling out at the ceremony, just doing their Cervello thing. AND THEN ONCE TSUNA RENOUNCES HIS TITLE, THEY'LL JUMP IN AND REDISTRIBUTE THE VONGOLA RINGS

BYAKURAN COME BACK TO US

Mukuro with a monocle is just the epitome of hilarity for me. XD "I SAY OLD BEAN WOT WOT CHEERIO."

[identity profile] dame-batsie.livejournal.com 2010-05-19 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I love you. Just wanted to start out by saying that. <3

TBH, I haven't been keeping up with the manga in such a long time that I kinda skimmed this to prevent myself from seeing spoilers. But who am I kidding? I clicked on the link to the end of the Future Arc. Thankfully it was still cryptic to me, but it made my heart hurt just a little.

And lol @ the unintentionally hilarious faces. I was surprised you didn't include Yamamoto's face when his eyes were two dots. I'm pretty sure that happened once or twice within the first 100 chapters. That face was awesome. XDD

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-05-21 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
GASP YOU'RE ALIVE!1 *can a hug go here? LET'S JUST SAY YES*

Heh, I hope you get inspired/have a chance to catch up pretty soon; the end of the last arc was kinda meh, but this new arc has been awesome so far (or at least I'm loving it, anyway XD). But that very last page of the Future Arc does make me ;_; every time. In a good way.

I know the Yama face you're talking about and IT IS AMAZING, but I figured that probably wouldn't have fallen into the category of unintentional hilarity, so I let it be. If the 'unintentional' criteria hadn't been there, this would have been an entirely different list. (This would have been my number one. XD)

[identity profile] dame-batsie.livejournal.com 2010-05-23 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes, yes. Alive and breathing.

Ohhhhhh, unintentional hilarity. I see your point. And it is valid. And I can't read.

I love those faces. XDDD

[identity profile] amberrei.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
>Top Five Things You Want Somebody to Say in Reborn

>1. "Pack your bags, Tsuna. We're going to Italy."

DO WANT. I want an Italian Arc so hard.

>2. "You mean Byakuran is still alive? And he's on our side?" 8D

Trololol. It's more likely he's on Enma's side now 8D; *omg my brain just showed me Byakuran appearing behind Enma and calling him 'Enma-chan' like he did with Shou-chan >.<'*

>3. "Takeshi, there's something I have to tell you about your mother."

IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME

>4. "It's a real gun, with real bullets. It's about time you learned how to use one."

I want to see Tsuna learning to use a gun ;_;' he was so clumsy learning to ride a motorcycle... I can't even imagine how clumsy AND MOE he would be with a gun in his hands. FANGIRLISM PUT ASIDE, that would make things more real-life like. And more mafia like. And I'd love it.

>5. "Bianchi, I have one favor to ask you. Please don't tell your brother I've come to watch the ceremony. It's easier for everyone this way."

Goku-papa DO WANT.

I'm sorry for the random necroposting but I was browsing your older posts. XD
I approve of them all.

[identity profile] makeste.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Italian Arc would be so amazing. I've been reading a lot of mafia-related stuff lately, and it's just awoken this craving inside me. DO WANT.

Trololol. It's more likely he's on Enma's side now 8D

LOL oh geez. The one thing that might possibly make Tsuna's life even worse at this point. XD

Yeah, really. If we can't even get info on his mom in the aftermath of his spine getting snapped, when can we get it?? There won't be many opportunities for introducing long-lost family members more appropriate than that one.

I can't even imagine how clumsy AND MOE he would be with a gun in his hands.

Heh, I imagine it would be something like him aiming at a range of targets and hitting one and Gokudera going, "GOOD JOB, TENTH!" only to have Tsuna admit he was actually aiming for the other target like twenty feet away. XD The recoil would probably be a killer for him too, what with him being so tiny, lol.

Goku-papa DO WANT.

YES. COME ON, AMANO, DO IT.

And no worries, new comments on older posts are always a welcome surprise. :D And thanks!